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August 28th, 2008

Why does Safari stink?

Posted by Christopher Dawson @ 10:34 am

Categories: Education Technology

Tags: Apple Safari, Web Browsers, Portals, Desktops, Internet, Hardware, Christopher Dawson

I started my day with several calls from our Special Ed folks who suddenly couldn’t access their student information portal (e-Sped). I could access it without problem, our Special Education administrators could access it, but several teachers and counselors were discovering (since this was the first student day back at school) that e-Sped simply didn’t look right.

They reported intermittent login problems, data not appearing in forms, navigation troubles, etc. Feeling like an epidemiologist hunting down the source of salmonella outbreak, I started looking at what made these users different. It probably won’t surprise anyone that they were using Safari.

Some of my Mac users were fine; these users were running Firefox since I’d had it installed on most of the new Macs we’d rolled out this summer. Anyone who had reverted back to Safari or who my techs hadn’t gotten to yet was having problems.

Sometimes Safari works just fine; there are plenty of sites though for which things just aren’t quite right. Since Apple tends to do a lot of things right (and their OS is a model of usability), what happened with Safari? I’d love to blame sites that cater to IE’s lack of standards compliance, but Firefox handles these sites just fine.

So why did Apple drop the ball here? And if your users are moaning about e-Sped, check their browsers.

Christopher Dawson

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RE: Why does Safari stink?
I don't get why people do all this bashing against programs. If it gets the job done, it is something to use.

For the people who used and still use Microsoft Windows, I know it is hard to belie... (Read the rest)
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Safari on iPhone is even worse  itinko | 08/28/08
Firefox on a cellphone  commun5 | 08/28/08
No mobile Firefox, perhaps, but there is Opera Mobile and Opera Mini.  Joel R | 09/03/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  rorjews | 08/28/08
LOL  croberts | 08/28/08
He's probably right...  olePigeon | 08/28/08
delete this  zomgguy | 08/28/08
OlePigeon is right  BuddyLogan | 08/29/08
You said What?  BuddyLogan | 08/29/08
.  zomgguy | 08/30/08
Compatibility  BuddyLogan | 08/30/08
my bad  zomgguy | 08/30/08
Thanks for the explanation...  TechTeach_z | 09/02/08
To be fair,  Joel R | 09/03/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  Keegan2149 | 08/28/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  digitalas | 08/28/08
KHTML is the problem, it is not ready for prime time  progon | 08/28/08
Do you know what the word "standards" means?  winski | 08/28/08
Ever heard of a de facto standard  jackbond | 08/28/08
So...  Joel R | 08/28/08
Bad metaphor  steve96785 | 08/28/08
Perfectly good metaphor.  Joel R | 08/28/08
Obviously, you are not a Web programmer  BuddyLogan | 08/29/08
To be fair to Microsoft,  Joel R | 08/29/08
Fair to Microsoft  BuddyLogan | 08/30/08
BuddyLogan  Joel R | 09/03/08
Funny you should say that...  deowll | 08/28/08
Only The UK drives on the left  BobF_z | 08/29/08
The UK,Japan and Australia...  Wolfie2K3 | 08/29/08
what about new zealand?  passmethebutter@... | 08/29/08
@deowll  Axsimulate | 08/29/08
Thailand on the Left  steve96785 | 09/23/08
ASP.NET has nothing to do with anything in this argument.  mikefarinha | 08/28/08
Spoken like someone who has absolutely no idea what he?s talking about.  Joel R | 08/28/08
Holy Smokes!!!  mikefarinha | 08/28/08
Agreed, but the ?developer? in this case is Microsoft themselves.  Joel R | 08/29/08
You Obviously Have A Bone To Pick  mikefarinha | 08/29/08
To Mike: And how is the developer even supposed to KNOW there?s a PROBLEM?  Joel R | 08/29/08
@Joel Please quote me where I was wrong.  mikefarinha | 08/29/08
Exactly!!!  Spats30 | 08/29/08
@Mike, you were wrong here.  Joel R | 08/29/08
So?  zomgguy | 08/28/08
Yep, Safari is based on the Konqueror browser  Spats30 | 08/29/08
Not anymore.  Joel R | 08/29/08
RE: Safari stinks? Attempt to address problem.  robdern | 08/28/08
Problems with all browsers  j.m.galvin | 08/28/08
Very True  cartman00000001 | 08/28/08
Much like real life (NT)  LiquidLearner | 08/28/08
agreed  zomgguy | 08/28/08
Whoops - forgot something  j.m.galvin | 08/28/08
Learn some troubleshooting tactics  frgough | 08/28/08
You didnt read and understand his article. Why am i not suprised?  Been_Done_Before | 08/28/08
Weak programming skills?  winski | 08/28/08
no...  zomgguy | 08/28/08
Troll?  ajole | 08/29/08
Troll, NOT  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 08/29/08
Not quite the same...  ajole | 08/29/08
Check the agreement...  passmethebutter@... | 08/29/08
Time to be practical  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 08/30/08
To b8365629:  Joel R | 08/30/08
Good point, but...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 08/31/08
...or develop using web standards!  techconc | 08/28/08
I did read the article  frgough | 08/28/08
Suddenly implies that it worked the last time, but doesn't this time.  ajole | 08/29/08
The answer is in the details  winski | 08/28/08
especially when he says stuff like  frgough | 08/28/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  David Spencer-20660146163390554490918120654216 | 08/28/08
yah i know....  zomgguy | 08/28/08
What's the history on eSPED?  olePigeon | 08/28/08
Lazy journalism...  techconc | 08/28/08
Safari is weak  frgough | 08/28/08
Another Espedder  Zippereye125 | 08/28/08
Fast browser?  zomgguy | 08/28/08
Really?  ajole | 08/29/08
I use Safari...  Axsimulate | 08/29/08
This is Terrorism  BALTHOR | 08/28/08
Trolling for hits I see !  ShadeTree | 08/28/08
Watch out for Acrobat Reader too  Zippereye125 | 08/28/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  puggsly | 08/28/08
Sure....  zomgguy | 08/28/08
We need a meta-browser  ozzie_tech | 08/28/08
My Funny Story about .Mac  mikefarinha | 08/28/08
On ASP.NET: NONE of you get it. It?s MICROSOFT?s fault, and I can PROVE it!  Joel R | 08/28/08
Since you invoked Microsoft .....  dgrainge | 08/28/08
You really should've waited, dgrainge.  Joel R | 08/28/08
there doesn't need to be a specific safari.browser file  dgrainge | 08/29/08
Nearly ALL browsers, INCLUDING WinIE (Trident), report as ?Mozilla.?  Joel R | 08/30/08
The reason WHY ASP.NET does that to Safari:  Joel R | 08/28/08
Your Premis is flawed.  mikefarinha | 08/28/08
GAH! And you say you do this for a LIVING!? Your poor, poor clients!  Joel R | 08/28/08
Why are you surprised?  ajole | 08/29/08
Saying that site developers should have to work around the ASP.NET Menu?  Joel R | 08/29/08
Microsoft be damned (again), then!  bbneo | 08/28/08
O_O  zomgguy | 08/28/08
Read all of JoelR's thread you are responding to  deaf_e_kate | 08/29/08
I swear there's more stupid in this thread than I've seen in years  bmerc | 08/29/08
+1!  ajole | 08/29/08
Thank you. Now I will never use ASP.NET for the web.  T1Oracle | 08/29/08
Oh, you can use ASP.NET.  Joel R | 08/30/08
And now Google Chrome is affected, too!  Joel R | 09/06/08
(Ooops! Mispost.)  Joel R | 08/28/08
Why does IE x suck?  bbneo | 08/28/08
Safari is slow...  zomgguy | 08/29/08
Christopher: Microsoft is to blame.  jameskatt | 08/28/08
Why does Firefox work then?  readwrite | 08/28/08
Because Microsoft LET Firefox work. THAT'S why.  Joel R | 08/29/08
In the case of ASP.NET, it's because  bmerc | 08/29/08
Wow, bmerc, you?re even better at analogies than I am! +1!! (NT)  Joel R | 08/29/08
I don't have to explain anything  readwrite | 08/29/08
If you had any clue...  mikefarinha | 08/29/08
If MikeFarinha had any clue?  Joel R | 08/29/08
You're 100% Correct, and 100% Misguided.  mikefarinha | 08/29/08
Awww, ya chicken! Bu-BAWK!!  Joel R | 08/29/08
RE: Why does Safari stink? Cuz it's lame!  davidf01 | 08/28/08
Anyone remember the Opera browser's Bork edition?  bmerc | 08/29/08
That's Hilarious !  Jkirk3279 | 08/30/08
Sounds like a developer/tester problem.  B.O.F.H. | 08/29/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  nfiertel | 08/29/08
RE: Safari stinks less that Firefox  JohnMelone@... | 08/29/08
Safari is different, that's all  jscott418 | 08/29/08
No Problems Here on eSPED  networkassault | 08/29/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  Mudoch | 08/29/08
Don't waste time w/ Safari!!!  GSavage777 | 08/29/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  b2miller | 08/29/08
If it's a connection problem...  Mitch 74 | 08/30/08
While Safari looks nice...  melekali | 08/30/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  shadfurman | 08/31/08
RE: Why does Safari stink?  Viper2KX | 10/05/08

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