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October 13th, 2008

OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough

Posted by Christopher Dawson @ 7:48 pm

Categories: Education Technology

Tags: Microsoft Corp., OO.org 3.0, OpenOffice, Apple Mac OS X, Microsoft Office, Open Source, Office Suites, Software, Operating Systems, Apple Mac OS

There is a reason that the OpenOffice.org 3.0 servers are struggling to keep up with demand. OO.org 3.0 really is a serious upgrade over version 2.4 and makes NeoOffice irrelevant for Mac OS X users (previously, OpenOffice only worked within X11; While NeoOffice did a great job porting OO.org to native OS X, OO.org 3.0 works out of the box in OS X as a native Aqua application).

Last week I asked if OpenOffice was good enough. The general consensus? OO.org is good enough to start a flame war, but we’re not really sure if it’s good enough to be a serious competitor to MS Office.

Now that OO.org 3.0 is out, I’m having a much tougher time seeing both sides of the issue here (I actually like Office 2007/2008, by the way; I think they’re slick, well-polished, and highly functional). I had never liked the OpenOffice equation editor; this version brings a very nice graphical and text-based hybrid editor to us math teachers. Mail merge was clunky in OO.org; this version brings a mail merge wizard and improved label templates. Outline numbering tended to be a bit kludgy for notetaking in OO; this version improves the stability and interface of outlining.

Annotations are now incredibly easy to add (Insert, Note) and Office 2007/2008 formats are supported across the board. While Microsoft has dumped VBA support in Office 2008, OO.org users can run Visual Basic scripting, as well as Python and Javascript.

I’m not actually bashing MS Office here. It’s a great suite and they still have something that OpenOffice lacks: Publisher. However, Publisher was lacking on the Mac platform anyway and *nix users haven’t had access to MS Office (including Publisher) without some serious Wine work. Speaking of Access, OpenOffice continues to bring a solid database offering to all platforms. Is it as powerful as Access? I don’t think so (let’s face it - Access 2007 rocks). However, Mac, *nix, and Windows users can all interchange databases and use OO.org Base as a front end to a variety of data sources (including MySQL).

OpenOffice.org is not a clone of Office 2007 (good call, Sun). It’s a full-featured suite that gives us everything we need from MS Office and the world of productivity software while keeping the bottom line quite a bit more reasonable (you don’t get any more reasonable than free).

Yes, OO.org has been good enough for a long time; the latest release should leave little doubt for any users who had been on the fence.

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@markbn
So OOo has to be a "mature product" before you try it....while you are stuck on Microsoft's offerings which have been lolling around at "good enough" for years.... (Read the rest)
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Sadly, it falls short of my needs  Ad Astra | 10/13/08
I believe the reason is ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
BS  frgough | 10/14/08
You need to get out more ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
Relative comparisons of file performance  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
I have no idea ....  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
yes, something simple  markbn | 10/14/08
Ah, forum based support.  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
Your Solution.  kozmcrae | 10/14/08
Why does OO take 2 minutes to update a drop down menu?  aussieblnd@... | 10/14/08
It works with no lag in Excel  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
Those famous hidden API calls to make MS look good and competitors bad....  fr0thy2 | 10/14/08
RE: Why does OO take 2 minutes to update a drop down menu?  ahumeniy | 10/14/08
Translation  daengbo | 10/14/08
Office 2003 or Office 2007 formats?  B.O.F.H. | 10/14/08
The file is in Excel 2003  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
Consider this...  Mitch 74 | 10/14/08
Thank you for the lesson!  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
I found it interesting and helpful  spookyone1 | 10/22/08
The Real Issue is that...  notlehs | 10/14/08
Java has been JIT-compiled for quite some time now.  Joel R | 10/15/08
errr... no.  Mitch 74 | 10/16/08
Thanks, Mitch - comments inline.  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
RE: Thanks, Mitch - comments inline.  richdave | 10/14/08
I'll answer both here...  Mitch 74 | 10/16/08
Actually, you're going about the problem  alaniane@... | 10/22/08
Can you try this...  TripleII | 10/14/08
And saving a distributed worksheet in two formats makes sense why?  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
So native performance helps.  TripleII | 10/14/08
Yes, it does.  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
Maybe  daengbo | 10/14/08
Re: Sadly ... short of my needs  FL Guy | 10/14/08
One truly sees the problem.  deowll | 10/14/08
A few annoying bugs  DonRupertBitByte | 10/13/08
Spell checker  patibulo | 10/14/08
Depends on Office source langauge...  pico_D | 10/14/08
I have found this as well  914four | 10/15/08
Re: Annoying Bugs..  zdnet@... | 10/14/08
RE: Annoying Bugs  zdnet@... | 10/14/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  ravi16aug@... | 10/14/08
Why don't you make all your docs  rikasa | 10/14/08
This is crazy  ravi16aug@... | 10/14/08
Crazy? It worked for MS  iTeaBoy | 10/14/08
Actually...  wolf_z | 10/14/08
Precisely  frgough | 10/14/08
Sorry...  iTeaBoy | 10/14/08
So, what you are saying...  pico_D | 10/14/08
If you'd bother to look I replied to the 'This is Crazy' post  iTeaBoy | 10/14/08
So your saying....  ShadowGIATL | 10/14/08
A few questions  rikasa | 10/14/08
No, actually  daengbo | 10/14/08
Re: Actually  CTOSea | 10/14/08
Perfect Writer - yes!  bmeacham98@... | 10/14/08
The format thing is a problem  deowll | 10/14/08
OO can open damaged documents...  914four | 10/15/08
You can always  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
As does Office 2007...  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Highly Doubtful  asmoore82 | 10/14/08
You still need to add that feature...  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
By add the feature...  LiquidLearner | 10/14/08
All I have to do  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
Oh right....  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Back to bed for you again!  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
Bark bark bark! Woof! Yip!  Sleeper Service | 10/15/08
As does Office 2007...  aussieblnd@... | 10/14/08
Really?  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Life is Simple  asmoore82 | 10/14/08
Have you used version 3.0 ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
I have...  pico_D | 10/14/08
OpenOffice is definitely good enough  aussieblnd@... | 10/14/08
Then you can never upgrade Office.  TripleII | 10/14/08
From my own experience...  Mitch 74 | 10/14/08
Dup post  zdnet@... | 10/14/08
Good point.  deowll | 10/14/08
funny comments...  patibulo | 10/14/08
Um...  wolf_z | 10/14/08
Um ...  cwallen19803@... | 10/14/08
Nobody? Really?  akulkis | 10/15/08
Office 2007 supports ODF  LiquidLearner | 10/14/08
All the more reason...  storm14k | 10/14/08
Why do I get this feeling...  ShadowGIATL | 10/14/08
Install Both  chromeronin | 10/14/08
Two indivisible aspects.  kozmcrae | 10/14/08
What?  ShadowGIATL | 10/14/08
Uh yeah.  akulkis | 10/15/08
Well...  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
MSO 2007 will support ODF 1.1 in 2009  Mitch 74 | 10/14/08
MS in the process of supporting ODF and such.  deowll | 10/14/08
I liked 2.4, and now I'm eager for 3.0  pjotr123 | 10/14/08
Agreed. It works just fine and I can interchange files with folks  softwareFlunky | 10/14/08
But good enough for what?  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
re: Large Business?  deaf_e_kate | 10/14/08
Large Business?  aussieblnd@... | 10/14/08
Well it wasn't going to be you.  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Exactly...  storm14k | 10/14/08
99% of those people...  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
You can't edit a PDF?  deowll | 10/14/08
Just a question not a fight..... why not?  James Quinn | 10/14/08
The answer is  frgough | 10/14/08
I understand specialization mind you  James Quinn | 10/14/08
Agreed  frgough | 10/14/08
Why I haven't switched  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
Is that with 2.4 or 3.0? Both?  James Quinn | 10/14/08
It was with both.  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
Re-evaluate...  Mitch 74 | 10/14/08
Except all those issues showed up in 3.0 as well..  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
In my experience 2007 Word doesn't handle graphics well.  deowll | 10/14/08
That's easy.  kozmcrae | 10/14/08
My Experience  daengbo | 10/14/08
Same here  Mitch 74 | 10/18/08
Presentations sent to external customers...  914four | 10/15/08
I will need to look more closely  mdemuth | 10/14/08
Bingo.  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Exactly - questions are do we and why and the is the CBA - nt  USTechHead | 10/14/08
Sealed in  chromeronin | 10/14/08
But it will be.  Sleeper Service | 10/15/08
Define "large business"  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/14/08
So did they use it?  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Some did, some didn't  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/14/08
So how many?  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
SME  zdnet@... | 10/14/08
From my experience I'd say Small Business  voska1 | 10/14/08
I've challenged everyone...  bjbrock | 10/14/08
Exactly!!  iTeaBoy | 10/14/08
With a recession ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
Yes.  kozmcrae | 10/14/08
The ribbon?  CobraA1 | 10/14/08
The ribbon sucks  frgough | 10/14/08
What don't you like about it?  CobraA1 | 10/14/08
"bypass"  b.bob | 10/14/08
Consistently frustrating  CobraA1 | 10/14/08
Nicely done - NT  USTechHead | 10/14/08
It steals too much desktop real estate ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
Minimize it then...  mikefarinha | 10/14/08
Shh...  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Problem is  j.m.galvin | 10/14/08
Very well ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
@ j.m.galvin - You said it better than I could ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
re:Sleeper... EXACTLY! nt  USTechHead | 10/14/08
Press Ctrl + F1  markbn | 10/14/08
Double click a tab, use the Quick Access Toolbar.  CobraA1 | 10/14/08
It restricts my workflow  frgough | 10/14/08
That amount of customization is extremely, extremely rare.  CobraA1 | 10/14/08
Agreed. The Ribbon is evil in every way...  pmiranda@... | 10/14/08
Searching through menus means you don't know...  bjbrock | 10/14/08
How does the ribbon help?  drobinow | 10/14/08
I've complained...  deowll | 10/14/08
Can I manage it?  People | 10/14/08
I agree  mikefarinha | 10/14/08
So, what's my prize? Here's four things.  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
Also it fails to lock you into Windows or Mac, plus all of those costs  fr0thy2 | 10/14/08
Ummm, if the apps are useless, they should be free.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/14/08
Ummm, if the apps are useless, they should be free.  aussieblnd@... | 10/14/08
Any bets we have same comments same  USTechHead | 10/14/08
Yes, Office 2007  zdnet@... | 10/14/08
On the off chance that you aren't a troll  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
Yes but...  914four | 10/15/08
Maybe 2 out of 4  TripleII | 10/14/08
Er, try again.  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
Few points.  TripleII | 10/14/08
Oddly enough one of the thing I don't like is saved edits.  deowll | 10/14/08
Good point.  TripleII | 10/14/08
I think you missed his point  daengbo | 10/14/08
Maybe I missed something...  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
That's what happens  akulkis | 10/15/08
Once again....  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
Forgot to add...  TripleII | 10/14/08
challenged everyone...  aussieblnd@... | 10/14/08
dats_ripe u spoke the truth  dats_ripe | 10/14/08
And more importantly : free upgrades  ctrlbrk | 10/18/08
Screenshots??  CobraA1 | 10/14/08
Not enough rows in Calc  nucrash | 10/14/08
Database . . .  CobraA1 | 10/14/08
Agreed.  bjbrock | 10/14/08
No  markbn | 10/14/08
Yup...  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
Excuuse me?  CobraA1 | 10/14/08
and  markbn | 10/14/08
I agreed . . .  CobraA1 | 10/14/08
No dillweed!  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
Problem is  markbn | 10/14/08
Actaully, anyone with a brain would use a database.  B.O.F.H. | 10/14/08
Exactly ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
Exactly out of topic  markbn | 10/14/08
It's not out of topic...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
Can you understand and reply my question?  markbn | 10/14/08
Work harder not smarter...  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
"Think fallaciously not better" is your mantra  markbn | 10/14/08
yes, MS = Work Harder, not smarter.  akulkis | 10/15/08
Go troll elsewhere  markbn | 10/15/08
Anybody with a brain will use it to think but obviously you don't have one  markbn | 10/14/08
And your brain can _just_ about manage your nervous system, nowt else  fr0thy2 | 10/14/08
You guess  markbn | 10/14/08
You really are reaching here, aren't you?  B.O.F.H. | 10/14/08
A database is not always the right tool!  rcarlsonherps | 10/14/08
My arguement is not database v. spreadsheet.  B.O.F.H. | 10/14/08
Let me summarize your arguments:  markbn | 10/14/08
RE: My arguement (sic) is not database v. spreadsheet.  markbn | 10/14/08
Spreadsheet vs Database is not absolute  mystic100 | 10/14/08
Let's make it easy  daengbo | 10/14/08
Agreement and Disagreement  markbn | 10/15/08
Yes and no...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/14/08
No, in typical  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
Ok, typical of limited people  markbn | 10/14/08
You insulted before, which I responded too above.  fr0thy2 | 10/14/08
Nope  markbn | 10/14/08
You insulted before, which I responded too above.  aussieblnd@... | 10/14/08
Seems you are the limited one here...  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
Your arguments just corroborate your limitations  markbn | 10/14/08
It's about efficiency  Li1t | 10/14/08
Nope, it's not about efficiency  markbn | 10/15/08
Shill / Astroturfer  akulkis | 10/15/08
I do not belong to your club  markbn | 10/15/08
To use similar logic...  914four | 10/15/08
Obviously your mechanic is ripping you off..  akulkis | 10/15/08
Precisely.  914four | 10/15/08
Calipers don't determine braking distance.  akulkis | 10/23/08
Don't know what you are talking about  markbn | 10/15/08
My point was...  914four | 10/15/08
You can use OO if you want  markbn | 10/15/08
Response to markbn  914four | 10/15/08
Response to 914four  markbn | 10/16/08
My former CFO  daengbo | 10/14/08
Yet another demonstration....  akulkis | 10/15/08
If you have more than 65536 rows ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
According to who?  markbn | 10/14/08
Mostly every post in the thread ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
OK, that means you have no clue  markbn | 10/14/08
I think we have another FIGJAM here ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
no matter in what way you want to disguise your failure  markbn | 10/14/08
@markbn - Here, go argue with Microsoft ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
MisterMiester, gotta agree with you on this one.  B.O.F.H. | 10/14/08
So, in that MS tutorial...  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
You give a link that does not support your claim?  markbn | 10/14/08
FIGJAM  sjbinaz | 10/14/08
Everyone hates me, eat worms  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/14/08
Sheesh, another nonsense opinion  markbn | 10/14/08
Several people here have  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
Wrong  markbn | 10/14/08
It has nothing to do with who's right or wrong ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
Right  markbn | 10/14/08
@markbn - You know what ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
Thanks  markbn | 10/14/08
Actually, MM...  Sleeper Service | 10/15/08
Since you ask  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/14/08
You are arguing the wrong point  daengbo | 10/14/08
and yet, from 2003 till 2007, that version was no trouble?  TripleII | 10/14/08
Well said.  914four | 10/15/08
Option to extend rows to specified size  aeriform | 10/15/08
Does it integrate as well with SharePoint?  NonZealot | 10/14/08
Sharepoint equiv O3spaces  Clewin | 10/14/08
Not great. Some have success, but using SP means you already decided.  TripleII | 10/14/08
Thanks TripleII! I'll check it out.  NonZealot | 10/14/08
A few?  tonymcs@... | 10/14/08
Not quite. Do you know the cost?  TripleII | 10/14/08
Want to see Microsoft sabotaging Open Office?  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
I didn't realize OO was that bad at voice recognition!  NonZealot | 10/14/08
How does OO work with DragonDictate?  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
With Version 9 it seems to work well ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
voice recognition!  aussieblnd@... | 10/14/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  Loverock Davidson | 10/14/08
Don't feel bad, maybe next time you will hook a fish or two. (nt)  TripleII | 10/14/08
Well, it saved me...  914four | 10/15/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  Clewin | 10/14/08
reference managing  pupkin_z | 10/14/08
Academic Paper/Book quality document software  akulkis | 10/15/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  sunnysurya@... | 10/14/08
Far behind Mozilla's font rendering  jc@... | 10/14/08
Fails to "Impress"  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/14/08
Must have hit this one  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/14/08
Or no one cared.  B.O.F.H. | 10/14/08
People sleep durning PowerPoint or Impress so who cares?  TtfnJohn | 10/14/08
And where are you getting a job next week?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/15/08
Exactly where I work now? happy  TtfnJohn | 10/15/08
There's a reason...  akulkis | 10/15/08
The mixed use argument.  TripleII | 10/14/08
Except Office 2000, 2003 and 2007 interoperate  Ad Astra | 10/14/08
That's something they do not understand  markbn | 10/14/08
Not just anti-MS  akulkis | 10/15/08
I can save you a bundle.  kozmcrae | 10/14/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  david@... | 10/14/08
Read the license...  914four | 10/15/08
And if the BSA comes in  akulkis | 10/15/08
Forms  itpro_z | 10/14/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  pueblonative | 10/14/08
You have to be joking,  Alganon | 10/15/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  ebhb2004@... | 10/14/08
pack up your computer, and send it back.  akulkis | 10/15/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  Gh0stMaker1969 | 10/14/08
Still no visio  Spiritusindomit@... | 10/14/08
Visio is a manager play toy.  TripleII | 10/14/08
Sorry but that's rubbish.  Sleeper Service | 10/14/08
No, it's not.  TripleII | 10/14/08
Let me guess.  kozmcrae | 10/14/08
You obviously don't how to use Visio  GrimmReaperSound | 10/14/08
Clue for you...  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
I use to sell the product ...  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
A clue from the clueless???  GrimmReaperSound | 10/15/08
"A clue from the clueless???" LOL grin  markbn | 10/15/08
You are right, I don't.  TripleII | 10/14/08
Visio  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
Well said.  914four | 10/15/08
Actually...  914four | 10/15/08
You forgot the duct tape...  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
There was a "Draw" program in OO  markbn | 10/14/08
Not to steal the thunder... but  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
His question was about a Visio-like program in OO  markbn | 10/15/08
I appologize...  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
oo spreadsheet  gingertech | 10/14/08
OpenOffice is NOT definitely good enough  dragon@... | 10/14/08
Well thought out argument.  TripleII | 10/14/08
Sigh... opinions are no longer safe...  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
NADA  crypt2121 | 10/14/08
Intel only  rightwingnutter | 10/14/08
I'm tired of the "Office Tax"  Narg | 10/14/08
The Redmond Strangler?  kozmcrae | 10/14/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  chromeronin | 10/14/08
Access and Publisher  greg.lee@... | 10/14/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  chromeronin | 10/14/08
Email compatible with Exchange?  SnoBoy | 10/14/08
OpenOffice  Linux User 147560 | 10/14/08
Did you try the Zimbra client?  MisterMiester | 10/14/08
OK - I downloaded and installed it over 2.4 and I know it's petty but...  USTechHead | 10/14/08
I still believed that you always get what you paid for...  transposeIT | 10/14/08
I have a really good piece of software...  Li1t | 10/14/08
Gnu Compiler Collection (GCC)  akulkis | 10/15/08
Perl is free  akulkis | 10/15/08
MS Office is so 20th Century  bblackmoor@... | 10/14/08
And stupid  akulkis | 10/15/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  Sirgwain | 10/14/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  mscgladney@... | 10/14/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  mscgladney@... | 10/14/08
Forget Publisher, use Scribus  Alganon | 10/15/08
Need that VBA in Excel  vb1der@... | 10/14/08
Did you read the article?  Li1t | 10/14/08
VBA programming  akulkis | 10/15/08
How good is new OpenOffice compared to NeoOffice on Mac  GiveMeGizmos | 10/14/08
NeoOffice vs OpenOffice.org  athurman@... | 10/15/08
On my 1.4ghz PPC Mac Mini, OpenOffice 2.4 beats NeoOffice  roystonlodge | 10/17/08
Who needs Publisher  Alganon | 10/15/08
Who needs one sided point of views...  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
Seriously  sirhayden@... | 10/17/08
Issues! What issues?  GOTBO | 10/15/08
Equation Editor  cmjrees | 10/15/08
OpenOffice rocks!!! Time for MS Office to be Free of Charge!  gaelicfog@... | 10/15/08
Because...  ShadowGIATL | 10/15/08
free MS Office? why not!  danbi | 10/16/08
RE: The real slowness problem...  PaladinIII | 10/15/08
OO or MS office?  danbi | 10/16/08
RE: Kings new clothes  The Management consultant | 10/16/08
re the ribbon not being customizable/bypassable  hansonjb | 10/16/08
Office 2007 customization  acatnap | 10/17/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  sirhayden@... | 10/17/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  kershawfamily@... | 10/18/08
A CPU and memory hog - OpenOffice is still FAIL...  transposeIT | 10/20/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  akulkis | 10/23/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  akulkis | 10/23/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  akulkis | 10/23/08
RE: OK, now OpenOffice is definitely good enough  akulkis | 10/23/08
@markbn  akulkis | 10/23/08

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